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  I Want Proof Jesus Even Existed

  by Farkel in

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  don't bother me with the josephus addendum.

  i've already seen that debunked.. i am quite aware of the fact that the only evidence of jesus comes from his own followers who didn't even bother to write down his life for decades after jesus "died.

  " don't know about you, but if i saw all that shit, i would have gone home and written three books about it that same day!.

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  Sab said:

  Imo, you must give this "man" the proper credit of dramatically changing the religious landscape of the future (which includes US), whether he meant to or not.

  Sooo, if a mythology grows up around an mortal man (who put his robe on one arm at a time, just as any other man) who had no knowledge of what would occur after his death, he gets the credit?

  You mentioned how Jesus dramatically "changed" the World: aside from his impact on religion as serving as a figure, what did he accomplish exactly for the benefit of humanity?

  I've often thought that if Jesus WERE as adherent to the principles of Judaism as reflected in some scriptures, he'd be horrified to discover that he became the figure surrounding a new syncretic religion, with many words ascribed to him having been likely inserted into his mouth (and given that there's multiple versions of even something as basic as what his last words on the cross were before he died, it seems likely that many writers were writing the script independently).
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  I Want Proof Jesus Even Existed

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  don't bother me with the josephus addendum.

  i've already seen that debunked.. i am quite aware of the fact that the only evidence of jesus comes from his own followers who didn't even bother to write down his life for decades after jesus "died.

  " don't know about you, but if i saw all that shit, i would have gone home and written three books about it that same day!.

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  Sab, you said this:

  Even Judaism regards Jesus as an extremely important prophet and a heckofa Jew. One thing is clear, this mysterious "man" not only split Judaism in two, but he made such a ruckus that Isalm started because of the fighting between the Christians and the Jews OVER the idea of him.

  There were many sects which developed in Judaism long before Jesus arrived, and the prophet Mohammed (father of Islam) arrived circa 600 CE.

  None of which means anything as far as proving that a historical Jesus existed (I suspect someone named Jesus did, where tons of writer's embellishment occurred after progressive Jews like Paul, having been raised as any other young Jewish male and having been trained by memorizing the Torah, depicted Jesus as the fulfillment of many prophecies, after the fact).

  Once the Romans adopted Christianity as their official state religion, the rest is history.
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  "please sign in" was all mom said to me and my boys at her sisters funeral yesterday at the kindom hall

  by oompa in

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  my dad never once looked at me...i went even though they did not come to the door when i went to tell her i was sorry about her sister...that i had heard through the grapvine her sister had died...they did not even ccall me...and they did not answer the phone when i left the message asking for the time and place of the funeral unless they did not want us to attend...and they did not call....but we all decided to go anyway and im glad we did....but it was surreal...i will share more later.

  and i have a close friend nearby dfd about four years ago whose dad is dying and wont hardly ever talk to her... he does a bit but not her mom....neither does robert7s mom talk at all to him and yes it causes pain...but i think i am finally close to healing that last part of mine......oompa.

  funny but just realized that the above two cases both people are recognizd as a son or daughter important enough to shun like me...but we dont get shunned like dfd and apostate sons at the funeral...just another attendee...wow.

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  Shamus, you know as well as anyone that they cannot allow themselves to feel any guilt, as in their mind this is all a test from Satan: they blame him for this.

  Isnt it convenient to have imaginary moral agents around to blame the bad stuff on, and to give credit for the good stuff?

  PS how old were Eric's boys? I was surprised to see Eric mention them as I didn't know he was a parent (which changes things). If they're going to live with JW mom then they're virtually guaranteed to become trapped in to Eric's situation, being 5th generation JWs.
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  The Bible-- Full of Errors And Inconsistencies?

  by Recovery in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i noticed in the "magic" thread many former jw's no longer adhere to the bible as the unerring and accurate word of god.

  if you feel this way, can you please list any specific reasons/arguments as to why not.

  this thread isn't for debating purposes, but simply for listing.

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  Of course, my point in mentioning "four corners of the Earth" was to introduce the topic, knowing fully -well the lengths that Orlando Ferguson went to protect it in creating that monstrosity of a map to support the literal interpretation (based on a sketchy translation) of the Bible.

  Also notice his attempt to ridicule basic science facts: YES, we are in fact spinning at 1,000 mph on the surface of the Earth, and hurling on a path around the sun at 65,000 mph, and we're not doing it "in our minds", but in reality. NO, the Sun and Moon are not attached to a rotating arm that's found at the North Pole... He shows the characteristic arrogance of a Xian who's backed by the certainty of God's infallible word. You think he'd admit to being wrong if he were alive today? I somehow doubt it.

  THAT'S what happens when men rely on 3,000 old scientific ideas found in the Bible, and act as if they trump anything "mere unworthy mortal men" come up with.

  It infuriates me to consider that scientists such as Galileo had to contend with the likes of Roman Catholic theologians and popes, who felt that their knowledge of the Bible had anything of relevance to offer when it comes to scientific matters. The same thing exists in the modern day, when it comes to issues like stem cell research and women's reproductive issues (Akin, anyone?).
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  Dick Cheney expresses his Love for the New Lord of the Right Paul Ryan : D

  by designs in

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  I saw a ticker on the news this am that Gallup has it at 50% BO, 44% MR.
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  Jesus wife fragment is a fake

  by Christ Alone in

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  http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/21/gospel-jesus-wife-forgery.

  gospel of jesus's wife is fake, claims expertscholar says papyrus fragment believed to provide evidence that jesus was married is a modern forgery.

  karen king from harvard university holds the papyrus fragment that has four words written in coptic, which are believed to prove jesus was married.

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  BOTR said:

  "If Christian belief depended on the historical Jesus, it would have faded away within a few generations."

  Not only does Xian faith NOT depend on historical Jesus, it likely would be harmed by him. It's much easier to build the narrative of a cultic mystical figure around someone who is dead, since there's no chance for them to interfere with their "own" story. It's happened 100s of times before, where someone died and their story assumed larger-than-life status, even better than the real thing.
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  I Want Proof Jesus Even Existed

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  don't bother me with the josephus addendum.

  i've already seen that debunked.. i am quite aware of the fact that the only evidence of jesus comes from his own followers who didn't even bother to write down his life for decades after jesus "died.

  " don't know about you, but if i saw all that shit, i would have gone home and written three books about it that same day!.

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  I don't have the proof you want; no one does. My evidence is based on faith and it's evident from all you said in your post that you are without faith. It must be sad being you, too.

  "I always wonder why so many people feel so smug about believing the unbelievable on the basis of no evidence at all."

  Yup. And he's not just smug, but condescending as well, with the "It must be sad being you" bit.

  You know what makes me sad? Being unable to perform due diligence, and being unable to question any claim that sets off my BS detector, only to be fleeced by a scam like someone who's just fallen off the turnip truck. Being required to suspend my critical-thinking skills just to enter a world of "once upon a time" fairy tale thinking: THAT'S what makes ME sad.
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  SAD news about OOMPA......

  by redredrose in

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  our friend, oompa, has passed away.

  just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.

  it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.

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  Wow.... RIP Eric. :(
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  Did Abraham Have Schizophrenia? Hearing A Voice Telling Him To Sacrifice Isaac?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well if someone came to you saying they were going to sacrifice one of thier children to god because god spoke to them telling them to do so what would you conclude?

  would you tell him to be faithfull to the voice and do it so they can become god's friend like abraham was?.

  http://www.voiceofdharma.org/books/pp/ch2.htm.

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  Y'all are preaching to the choir: I don't believe a lick of the theology, as I'm an atheist (and have even been called a "militant atheist", whatever THAT means!). That doesn't mean the accounts are not fascinating, from a historical stand-point...
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  Jesus wife fragment is a fake

  by Christ Alone in

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  http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/21/gospel-jesus-wife-forgery.

  gospel of jesus's wife is fake, claims expertscholar says papyrus fragment believed to provide evidence that jesus was married is a modern forgery.

  karen king from harvard university holds the papyrus fragment that has four words written in coptic, which are believed to prove jesus was married.

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  Tams said:

  Tammy has said who knows how many times that any voice that tells someone to harm another person, or themselves, or to do anything that is against love... is NOT Christ.

  Uh, did you NOT read Elijah's account in the magic face-off with prophets of Baal at Mt Carmel, where he had 450 of those prophets slaughtered after holy spirit guided him to do so? Would you tell Elijah that it couldn't be YHWH he was hearing, since he was told to harm others?

  And fact is, Jesus spoke HIGHLY of prophet Elijah!!!

  Do you need more examples?